UDP Gunjur Rally: Crowds Chant ‘No More Killer President’

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“The witch president resides in Kanilia, we don’t want a President who kills. We say loudly no to a killer President  witch”. UDP women new song

United Democratic Party held a second rally in two weeks in the Kombos. Brufut rally was held on the 16th of August whilst Gunjur rally was held last Sunday the 23rd of August 2015. Many speakers spoke at the event, taking the government to task on land management issues, unfair trials involving landowners and new comers to various Kombo villages. Some of the speakers directed their statement on students, stating that, the performance of students in recent years has fallen below expectations due to the fact that, schools lack competent teachers, learning materials and sufficient remunerations for teachers.

Other speakers took on the age discrimination in the constitution. Several speakers indicated that, the UDP should stand it ground and fight the unfair bias within the constitution of baring people beyond 65 years. The speakers lament that, both men and women need to protest the blatant discrimination and restriction targeting Lawyer Darboe and those in his age group. The atrocities that have been committed is something which need to be redress.

The undeveloped impact within the Kombos also surfaced prominent in the speech of several speakers. The rally was very well attended, with youths and women forming the majority. Eye witness account reveal that, young women form the security of the motorcade when Ousainou Darboe and his executive enter Gunjur with songs targeting the murderous nature of the current APRC regime. They sang songs like “the witch president resides in Kanilia, we don’t want a President who kills. We say loudly no to a killer President  witch”.

Lawyer Darboe himself made a short statement, by choosing to allow natives of Kombo speak for longer. Below is part of his speech, culled from his book messages.:

“It is 21 years now since Yahya Jammeh’s dictatorship has been visited on us as Gambians. Since then the abuse of power that has come to characterise his leadership knows no bounds.  Like all other dictatorships around the World, Jammeh’s style of leadership is nothing but rule by aggression and force. This can be subtle where selected individuals are targeted; however, it is still an effective system used to cow the majority. They operate by silencing the respected members of society and unduly trampling on rights and dignity thus making many to fear what may befall them.

Our comrade, my own family member, Amadou Sanneh, is a victim of that brutal system of violent dictatorship who has joined a long list of UDP members that continue to face the wrath of a system carefully designed to use state power to fragrantly abuse, humiliate, cheat, and violently suppress opponents.

Amadou Sanneh fell victim to such high level machinations and as the leader of the UDP notwithstanding our courageous efforts to dismantle this brutal dictatorship, some in the society are blaming and castigating me for not organising a street demonstration to free Amadou from a high security prison.

It is as if some Gambians lose track of the inherent environment the country is in. Amadou Sanneh is a senior member of the UDP, who is also a highly valuable leader. For Amadou Sanneh to spend one second, one minute or day in prison is an indictment on the ruling authorities not the United Democratic Party. We are not armed, we don’t own guns and bullets, neither are we the ruling authority. I will urge Gambians to take a deeper look at the way the government in power operates.

All the institutions including the judiciary are run on the basis of unrestrained intimidation without regard to due process. It takes few to dare do what is right within their job descriptions. The vast majority succumb to the fear factor that took roots since July 1994.

And if we are all claiming to be fighting to end such a state of affairs albeit with different methods, why should UDP or its leadership be blamed for something that we have not created?

Without any qualms, we in the UDP can say anywhere that, we’re the party that has stood up to state aggression in this country more than any. Many of our supporters have been targeted and victimised due to the threat we pose to the state. Hence, if anybody or group wants to see an end to misuse of the judiciary, the bridle use and misuse of the security apparatus, you need to be sincere and understand that, UDP has done a lot in demystifying the dictatorship and it fear machinery which is institutionalised in the Gambia.

We will continue to stand up for not only Amadou Sanneh, but for all political prisoners. This is the job of an effective opposition. However, it is the duty of the general public to stand up to be counted in seeing that the rule of law and due process are upheld. And where they are trampled upon, they should be prepared to say enough is enough. We can collectively change the backward way things are done here.

I am happy to be in the Kombos again. This is a great sign that, political education and maturity has taken firm roots. Our goal is to continue with the grass-roots enlightenment. The message to the people is:

“Know your rights

“Don’t suffer in silence, tell us and others about any infringement on your rights

“Be part of a collective movement. We all know oppressive governments thrive on isolating people and persecuting them individually and selectively. Make us and others know about your suffering and oppression.

“The people own the power and they have to understand that concept many times.

“We encourage the ideals of no to fear

The taxes you pay are the same revenues the President and his entire machinery use to oppress you with. Gambians must not see the Head of State as a Saint or someone they should bow down to. Gambians have to realise that, the only thing that makes a sitting government invincible is the euphoria that surrounds the position of the executive and the power it wields.

I say to you here in Gunjur, a historical town, a place where many heroes hailed from, that, the government is more afraid of the people than the other way round. The UDP’s political message has always been simple, we don’t shroud our message to you in ideological sophistication. Our aim is to make it simple and clear that: you the people own the Gambia. You the people have the rights to demand changes at any point the state is malfunctioning. You don’t have to wait for an election to effect changes.

I came to you under a heavy downpour of rain today to meet and discuss with you because Gunjur and Kombo as whole are significant deciders of any poll because of your population size.

The young people who spoke here today really made us proud. The United Democratic Party is here to stay. You the young must understand the concept of inclusiveness, togetherness, and the spirit of Unity. The Gambia is a country of many spheres of dynamic traditions and cultures. The United Democratic Party teaches total respect to each of our different demography. Together we should work together to end this hardship and oppression. Together we can speak with one voice and not blame the UDP for the plight of its supporters in prison or detention.

Pass the message on, we will rescue the Gambia from this oppression. Stand firm, never give up, and never sell your dignity.

Long Live The UDP, Long Live The Gambia.

Thank you all.”

Below Photo grid of UDP supporters in Gunjur, Lawyer Darboe and his delegation receive yet another thunderous welcoming.

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54 Comments

  1. Yankuba Jobe

    It seems like the main fear in our society today in the Gambia is significally dropping, which is very encouraging step towards change of Regime in Banjul. May Allah guide, bless the Gambia and her people.

  2. Bravo to the people OF Kombo, Bravo to the UDP. Indeed the nation belongs to the people…..

    God bless you all. ALA BARIKA DEH NING ALLAH……

  3. Lafia Touray la Manju

    Kombo has the biggest responsibility in uprooting jammeh. It was the Kombo elders who first stood for Jammeh and campaigned for him to victory in 1996. Notable among them were Pa Kalifa Sanneh of Brufut, Seyfo Eric Tunde Janneh of Banjul nding, Seyfo Bakary Dembo Manyima Santan Bojang of Brikama etc. Jammeh betrayed them all.

    Thanks

  4. Alfousainey

    True heroes. The only thing President Jammeh fears is crowds. The day this rally crowds takes the law in their own hands, will spell the end. Please agitate the crowd UDP. You are the only political force that can do that. However, bring other political parties on board to achieve national Unity and broad base protest.

  5. Kombo (Keleh Jawara) Sillah’s people are always known for their bravery !

  6. Beside words of encouragement, we must also mobilise financial support for the Party on the ground. If everyone of us contribute monthly d250 to the respective parties, that will greatly enhance their profile in the gambia and help them reach the people.

  7. Janjanbureh

    Let us finish the job. The moment is on. Bravo to the Kombo people and UDP.

  8. The witch president resides in Kanilia, we don’t want a President who kills. We say loudly no to a killer President witch .

    Astonishment !! this goes without saying that change is in the air , We cannot submit to injustice forever . Bravo to the people of Kombo.

  9. Deyda Haidara

    Well done UDP. After 21 years of tyranny even if all independent media outlets are closed the people of our tiny country will eventually know the facts on the grounds. Families, relatives and friends are passing the message which the witch president have no control of. The talk of the town everywhere is “Jammeh must GO”. The end is near indeed let us pray that it happen in peace failing which the desparation and hopelessness on the ground can easily trigger into a mass uprising. People are hungry and very angry and everyone is talking. We on the ground can feel the tension in people’s hearts and the cry for change. It now a matter of channeling the public anger into a democratic and peaceful change in 2016. There is no way Jammeh can win the upcoming elections unless he cheats and cheating the elections will lead to an uprising. We know Jammeh is on a suicide mode and some sycophants and praise singers will mislead him into bebeiving that all is well. Blaise Compaore was in very similar situation only to see himself fleeing when he saw the mob storming the house of parliament and heading to State House. Jammeh is playing with the PATIENCE of the Gambian people not knowing that it has a limit.
    Thank you the people of Kombo and Lower Saloum for refusing to be intimidated.
    Final Victory belong to the people and no army, police and NIA can prevent it.
    We will rebuild our country back to the “smiling coast” from a horrible crying coast, Inshallah.

  10. will love my Gambia ever

    Free Amadou sanneh

  11. Jammeh have given more to Gunjur in one year than Jawara have given to them in 30 years , Gunjur is an ally of aprc. If you think this exaggerating story is the reality on the ground then you are a big full.

  12. @ Lawyer Darboe…”The UDP’s political message has always been simple, we don’t shroud our message to you in ideological sophistication.”” (Nisiringoo kaa abaa lewaaling )..

    On the whole, a very good statement from the UDP and.one that I can easily associate myself with, except for that veiled “Tellingdiroo”/garawalleh ” produced above…..

    But of course, it’s politics….And I’m sure the “nisibaa” (mother cow) will also.have a thing or two to say in the future…

    • @Bax, who do you think he is referring to precisely when Ousainou Darboe said, ‘ The Udp’s political message has always been simple, we don’t shroud our message to you in ideological sophistication’. It looks like you have the believe that some of our politicians’ messages are shrouded with ideological sophistications.
      Hope the mother cow’s message too, to the people is simple and crystal clear.

  13. Well done Udp and the people of Kombo. I don’t know why @Lafia la Manju, you think people of Kombo have the biggest responsibility in uprooting Jammeh. Are you really serious Lafia? No……….., I think you are being humorous again as usual.
    I have heard people in videos from country as well referring to him ‘Jammeh’ as ANNAHBILAI during the 1996 presidential elections campaign. The likes of those Seyfos are what we got across the width and length of Gambia and not to put blame Kombo alone. The evasion tactic toward our national responsibility won’t work.

  14. Come on Ggapm Agapm…ONLY one party has ever been tagged with that label and it wasn’t, and still isn’t, TRUE…And this party is PDOIS…I don’t know.of any other party in.The Gambia that has been tagged with this label…Do you.?

    But that’s what point scoring politics does : It concentrates on labels falsely concocted to tarnish an opponemt and dodge the issues…. and in The Gambia, it works…

    This was a concoction of first republic politicians and socalled political analysts..

    Do I believe it ? Of course I don’t….because I know it is false…Do you believe it..? If “Yes”, could you say “why” and show “how” ?

    • Bax, you mean……… only one party has ever been tagged with that label? it wasn’t, and still isn’t but the name seems to sticks on. I think that kind of tagging sticks when too many ideas are made available but sophisticated enough in real terms to be pragmatic with.
      The problem I have with some of our right honorables is, they give a lot of political theory that will go in circles and you will not know where to start and where to conclude much more in a predominantly un-alphabetised population. I think it is time for some practical politicking where the grassroot people are not mere observers to be looking on saying things like,’Hah! look at the educated clique’ We want to understand simple and straight forward why we need a change through party unity.
      Homie, I said in one of my comments sometime ago that foroyaa’s reporting of Ousman Koro Ceesay did really affected my sincerety and confidence in the Pdois. Ghee! it was naive, terrorised and bias.

  15. Fear factor is eroding and I think UDP last stand off with police has indeed played a huge role in that . Lawyer Darboe and his team should now be encouraging women with more songs which will always characterize Jammeh as Buwaa mansa . Women of gambia always know how to craft a beautiful song . I think they should always play Killar Ace songs in every polical meetings to encourage youths participation . Dictator Jammeh’s biggest threat is free speech . Every opportunity should be used to get to his skin .

  16. Bax, I think from its inception PDOIS has always been very clear about their political objectives and how to get there. There has never been any ideological sophistication.

    There is Socialism in the PDOIS acronym. But how many times, if ever, have you heard any of the PDOIS leaders mention or talk about socialism in their speeches? How many times have you read a PDOIS publication in which they are totally immersed in ideological postulations?

    In fact, if you removed the Socialism from the PDOIS acronym and make an analysis of all their political blueprints and speeches there will be little that will point covertly or overtly to an ideological disposition. All their political messages are grounded in the social, economic and political realities that constitute the Gambian political situation, and their response to this political situation has always been to educate, to awaken and to empower the people.

    This is evident in the many recordings in our local languages that PDOIS has made available to the people; and in the languages that they can understand that deals with all aspects of our social, economic and political realities.

    How then can this party be accused of ideological sophistication? Bring the evidence and let us discuss the merits or its demerits. How politically convenient to just throw about empty political labels. And you are right. PDOIS is the only political party that can be tagged with that label.

    • @Kamalo, I doubt if the PDOIS really sees the need for a change of the status quo in the Gambia. In real life observation, don’t you think Sidia’s broad looking smile into Jammeh’s face in the picture indicates an over exaggerated political maturity.
      Men like him don’t frown too quick but i think he should be wearing a bit more serious look into Jammeh’s eyes in that picture of the Kairo news archives. Whaddup Kamalo? what do you say… because i know you’ll always roll it out straight.

      • Can I asked what people really need from PDOIS if that is the case?

        DOIS has stated in no uncertain terms what is their ideal for change and how that change could be brought about. They have not only exposed the deficiencies of the status quo both now and before, but also have devceloped an exhaustive development program and agenda that can undoubtedly create the basis for a credible alternative.

        We are now just waiting for the positive response of the Gambian people and we we will deliver whatever has been promised. Give us a mandate and you can test our sincerity and commitment.

        • Impressively propounded @kamalo. I think most of the criticism here could probably be a result of the Gambian citizenry’s frustration for the lack of and active and a progressive unity amongst our evidently capable politicians. My mention of how I perceive Hon. jatta’s pose with the dictator is nothing out of disrespect but humorously urging him and all it may concern to act by every legal means within our foundamental democratic Gambian constitution to end the state of impunity in the Gambia.
          Thanks to them PDOIS, I know two or a few more political terms from their civic education programs, as I would refer to their rallies then. Thanks to them all in general for the tremendous sacrifice they are undertaking for the rest of us in being a political opposition party in the State of the Gambia.

  17. Lafia Touray la Manju

    There is a saying in wollof: Lui Ram, sii nyag bi rek.

    Thanks

  18. @Gpagm Agapm….. “when too many ideas are made available but sophisticated enough in real terms to be pragmatic with.
    The problem I have with some of our right honorables is, they give a lot of political theory that will go in circles and you will not know where to start and where to conclude much more in a predominantly un-alphabetised population…”

    Comment…What is.stopping you from giving examples….or at least one example to show what you mean…

     @Lawyer Darboe….”we don’t shroud our message to you in ideological sophistication….

    “(Our aim is to make it simple and clear that: you the people own the Gambia. .” )

    “You the people have the rights to demand changes at any point the state is malfunctioning. ”

    “The people own the power and they have to understand that concept many times….”

    Comment…..Gpagm Apagm, these are borrowed slogans and messages from PDOIS, as far as post independent Gambian politics is concerned…

    I don’t know.what messages or slogans the UP and all other pre-independent parties used to carry, but the above came into post independent Gambian politics with the emergence of PDOIS….

    “Sovereignty resides in the people”….”Power belongs to the people”…..”Leaders are mere servants of the people”…etc are synonymous with PDOIS in.Gambian politics…

    @Lawyer Darboe….”The taxes you pay are the same revenues the President and his entire machinery use.” (to oppress you with.)

    Comment….Another borrowed message from PDOIS….Neither the PPP, nor the NCP or the GPP carried or delivered such a message in their political programmes or campaigns…

    This is the introduction of PDOIS in Gambian politics…Not only was this a campaign or political message of PDOIS, they also explained how these monies in government coffers were raised, in the most simplest of terms…understood by even small children..

    They made it clear that when.you buy a candle,sugar,oil,rice,etc,you put money in the kitty because the businessman adds the customs duties onto his/her commodities..

    Ideological sophiscation..? Please, we should be long past that era…Don’t bring us back to that…

    Or is.Uncle Sam (US Banjul Embassy) being proven right he “he” says, “There is not much difference “ideolohical” between the APRC and UDP, except the unlikelihood of blatant abuses under a UDP Government “..

    And by extension, one.could add the rest.. PPP,NRP,GMC,etc…No difference whatsoever in terms of ideology and development strategies…

    • Bax to further reinforce what you stated above, PDOIS is the only political party in Gambian history that introduced the politics of issues.

      The pre-independent politics of the likes of Reverend J. C. Faye, Francis Edward Small, Garba Jahumpha, P.S. Njie, Sir Dawda Kairaba Jawara and others was to prosecute a nationalist movement that led to the attainment of self government, independence and republican status. They helped the Gambia to achieve its nationalist revolution.

      What PDOIS started when it emerged in the Gambian political scene is to prosecute a democratic revolution. They take off from where the pre-independent politicians have stopped transforming politics after independence into a personality and personality cult based politics. Politics that revolve around the party leader.

      PDOIS took Gambian politics away from this personality cult base and make it a politics of issues and a politics about the people. This is how the concept of sovereignty, consent of the governed as the legitimate basis on whose authority the power of government must be exercised, and otherpertinent slogans were popularized.

      Before the emergence of PDOIS not too many people know of the Gambian constitution, let alone to be versed in what it entails. Pdois is the first political party that created awareness about the Gambian constitution and its provisions. They used the constitution fundamentally to chnage the dyanamics of our whole political perspective. We started to think about politics differently.

      As this discussion evolve we will prove that at no point has Pdois ever been engaged in “ideological sophistication.”

    • @Bax, I don’t really need to draw out excerpts usually not even from my own comment as I usually said that I am an ordinary citizen and for that being the case, I have never before maintained a dogmatic approach to any specific political Ideal or philosophy.
      Critising our politicians in general is not at all illful but indeed a virtuos way in urging them way forward.
      Come on Bax,………….all of us are not politicians,…………some of us are mere voters who want to know why they are voting if they have to vote in the future. Meaningful criticism and the expression of doubt in others should always be tolerated by good policians.

  19. Kamalo said ” Pdois took Gambian politics away from this personality cult base and make it a politics of issues and a politics about the people ”
    Mr Kamalo if that is the case why do we still have the same people in the leadership of Pdois since its founding? Don’t you think people will assume that it’s also a political party based on personality since you have the same people in charge since its inception?
    When you have the same leadership for three decades, their influence and personality becomes integral of the party . This lead to dominance and absolute influence of this leaders which result to personality cult based politics . Though I agreed with you , Pdois has been referencing the constitution in their political messages which is good to educate the population about their rights and responsibilities. Every political party is doing that . UDP is doing it as well as NRP , or Gmc . Their approaches are very different. Personality based cult politics is always part of Pdois party or any party in The Gambia since the leadership of parties never change . When Seedia or Halifa sallah is not in leadership positions of this party , the Pdois will not function as it should be . This is what happen to PPP, ncp and ndam . In Gambian politics , political parties is about an individuals and this needs to change. We should make them institutional so that they can continue to function if there is leadership changes .

    • Max, you will agree with me that PDOIS’s entry into the Gambian political scene is not an accident. It is deliberate and purposeful as those who became the founding members of PDOIS were keen observers of Gambian politics as it evolves. They understand the nature and dynamics of this poltics and the personality trait that was embedded therein.

      Therefore when PDOIS was founded it was based on principles. And if you follow closely some of the remarks in Halifa’s interviews, there were also some other remarkable intellectuals among the original founding members of PDOIS. Some of whom later became align with other interests or resign from politics.

      What distinguishes PDOIS from the earlier activist movements like the Kent Street Vous, the Kwame Nkrumah Memorial Foundation and other protest movements of the early seveties was its abiding principles. It shapes the character, content and outlook of the party and give it the staying power to last for more than three decades.

      I would therefore argue that the fundamental principles upon which PDOIS was founded continue to keep it alive rather than a dictate to a peronality cult and its politics.

      In the early stages of the evolution of PDOIS, the party was protected from infiltrators and saboteurs by a stringent membership regime. And this was understandable due to the adverse political climate the young progressive political party had to operate under. Nonetheless the internal dynamics of the party was and continue to be far removed from the personality and personality based cult that people like you see from the outside.

      I know for a fact that PDOIS leadership decisions are based on the principles of unanimity and all decisions must be ageed to before they can be adopted. So the idea that there is a personality cult around Halifa, Sedia or Sam who are the public faces of PDOIS is far fetched.

  20. Kamalo” before the emergence of Pdois not too many people know of The Gambia constitution, let alone to be versed in what it entail. Pdois is the first political party that created awareness about The Gambian constitution and its provisions “.

    Again mr Kamalo , if your assertion is true why is it that Pdois is not making a significant progress in terms of total number of votes they got in past elections compare to UDP or NRP? This is a valid and important question that leadership should ask itself since they are functioning well before UDP or nrp . Don’t you think their messaging or political ideological sophistication is part of the problem ? If people are truly aware of Gambian constitution and provisions as you claimed , I think they would have considered Pdois in large numbers by voting for them in parliament or presidential elections. If they failed to consider Pdois, I think that claim is not factual correct because there is no indication to prove that . Still vast majority of people in serekunda when Halifa came from are not aware of the constitution and its provisions if I can used that constituency as an example. Of course, Pdois is playing a significant role to achieve that awareness but it has not been achieved yet. I think other political parties are playing their part too. I think lack of achievement of awareness can be attributed to so many factors which might not necessary be the fault of Pdois in its messaging or ideological sophistication but the politics of regime in power. Pdois needs to evaluate itself and diagnose their failure to enable Gambians to come to their party in large number ? Any political strategist will tell you , there is something fundamentally wrong why majority educated Gambians are not supporting Pdois if your Claim is rght.

  21. Kamalo said ” in the early stages of evolution of Pdois, the party was protected from infiltrators and saboteurs by a stringent membership regime . And this was understandable due to the adverse political climate the young progressive political party had to operate under “.
    The above quotes is very interesting to me because I think it’s signify that they have the same mindset till today which resulted to no change in leadership. In fact you didn’t answer my question ” why do you still have the people on the leadership of Pdois since founding “?
    So in the early years , Pdois had embarked on who was to join the party or to be its members . I think that policy alone violated basic principles of democracy or our constitution at the time because people should have rights to Join any political party of their choices . The political Climate at the founding of Pdois was more tolerance than today’s military dictatorship in The Gambia. Therefore , there shouldn’t be any justification to have stringent membership regime if they call themselves progressive party . It should have been open and allow changes in leadership . Many people will see personality cult politics of the party in three decades because you have three individuals who are the face of the party . Why are other members not given responsibility like these people if they really are progressive party ? The notion that a particular leaders are only capable to run the affairs of the country or political party indicate that those leaders has fail as was rightly indicated by president Obama during his African tour. This concept of having no changes in leadership resulted to political backwardness because they do not have any new ideas to move the country or political party forward . This is the dilemma of Gambian politics . Why can’t they recruit young peoples to be in public face just like they are ,so that they would be different from other parties if you really believe that they are not engage in personality cult based politics?

    • Max, remember that I qualify that statement by saying in the early stages of the evolution of PDOIS as a political party that they have a stringent membership regime. They have rules and regulations that govern membership into the party, and although membership to the party was open to everyone you have to meet the criteria established by the party. This is basic common sense. This is the reason why you have those who are members; and those who are supporters and sympathizers. Most choose to be supporters and sympathizers. Not everyone wants to be a member of a political party. People can support or sympathize with the party of their choice and vote for them in elections.

      Joining or not joining a political party does not constitute a violation of any democratic right. People have the right to join the political party of their chioce, but political parties also have the right to establish criteria for their membership. One has to agree to pay membership dues; do volunteer work or contribute one’s quota to the advancement of the party.

      Excercising one’s right to vote is constitutionally protected, but there are limitations in our case as diaspora Gambians cannot vote. But diasporans of other countries do vote.

      Joining or not joining a political party does not violate any democratic principles, and even whereas in the US you can register as a democrat or a republican, you can vote for either party of your choice.

      Likewise you can be a card carrying member of the UDP but choose to vote for a PDOIS candidate in an election. So I do not see the relevance or correlation of tying a PDOIS stringent membership to a violation of the basic principles of democracy. I have been a supporter of the party for almost three decades but never as a member of the party.

      But the door has always been open for people to become members of PDOIS. And now that the party has branches in the US and in Europe anyone who wants to be a member of PDOIS can register his or her interest to any member of these branches.

      The other issue you raised is the longetivity of party leaders to their parties. It is not that these party leaders don’t want to retire and pass the baton to more younger party members. The problem in most instances is the availability of those young leaders who can carry the baton and run with it.

      In the case of opposition political parties, most of their educated members who can take over the leadership of their parties are living in the diaspora. They are committed to the families; their jobs and their education and will not commit to the sacrifice necessary to lead these parties. These is the reason why you have people like Halifa, Sedia and Darboe where they are at. Where are the educated sons and daughters of the Gambia who will take over the mantle of leadership from them?

      I know PDOIS can resolve this issue, because after the untimely death of Dr Touray in the US, we learnt that he was the chosen heir to take over the leadership of PDOIS. and if not for his untimely death would have been the parties presidential candidate for 2016. So as far as PDOIS is concerned be rest assured that there is another Dr Touray somewhere.

  22. Maxs….

    You.have used the phrase “ideological sophistication ” at least twice without explaining what you mean or providing examples that can show how PDOIS indulges in “ideological sophistication”.. Could you show how please.? That will help the followers to determine whether your criticism is genuine or not..

    It would have been interesting to see how the PPP, which had dominated politics in the country for 3 decades, would fare against the current political parties if it had contested any elections by itself …

    Nevertheless, it can be pointed out without any doubt, that politics in The Gambia up to this date, is not about “ideology” or “manifestoes” (for that matter) because a vast number of people who vote don’t even know what their parties of choice really stand for or how they wish to achieve what they promise…

    So even.if the charge of “ideological sophistication” against PDOIS is true, it would not have mattered under the current voting trend…

    In my view and from personal experience, certain factors influence voting trends in The Gambia and PDOIS’ position on these is no secret to those who followed their journey, from inception to date….and to all honest people who follow Gambian politics..

    Among these factors are 4 outstanding ones…. (1) Incumbency.. (2) Inducements (3) Loyalties (4) Intimidation, Fear & false hopes

    Obviously, PDOIS is falling behind in vote numbers because it propagates a different type of politics and have shown no desire to indulge in what is the norm in Gambian politics…

    This may be the explanation Maxs…not “ideological sophistication” as has been charged, among many other charges, by its opponents with the intention of confusing and distracting the people…

    I also do not think that there is any relation between “being aware of the constitution” and “voting for PDOIS…”

    There are many people who know the constitution to their finger tips but are amongst the fiercest critics and opponents of PDOIS…You could show me the connection if you disagree. .

    The claim that PDOIS is the first party to bring the constitution into Gambian politics by linking actions/acts of public/local officials and institutions to constitutional provisions, is well established and should not, and cannot be disputed at all…It is an INDISPUTABLE FACT…

    Finally Maxs, I will not dispute your claim that the “majority of educated Gambians are not supporting PDOIS”, but I can understand why some educated Gambians, like Lafia, will not want to see a PDOIS Government at the helm…You only have to read the Audit Report of the Auditor General and other materials related to government operations, to see why…..and I am not talking about illegality….

    I am talking about the legitimisation of the theft of public funds by an elitist clique, who think that their education entitles them more to our national cake than the rest of us…

    There is no doubt that they want “change” but the change they seek and desire, is only in faces and personalities…The status quo must continue….

    The elites must continue to enjoy the cream of the National cake… Just as it was under the PPP yesterday; Just as it is under the APRC today (bar the blatant abuses and impunity); so will it be tomorrow under any new dispensation of current political parties, except PDOIS…

    PDOIS is the only party that has not hidden its intentions to alter this unhealthy and unfair arrangement and for that, some educated Gambians would spare no stones to caricature and tarnish PDOIS through various means…subtle and even blatant lies..

  23. Correction, I mean ” why do you still have the same people in leadership positions since Pdois founding “?

  24. Maxs. ..

    The Constitutional guarantee of Freedom of Association (including forming or.joining political parties) does not nullify the power of political parties to set membership criteria for those wishing to join them…

    Indeed, one is free to join a political party if one shares the same ideals and values and is prepared to uphold the same principles as set by the party…

    And for a party like PDOIS, that is

  25. Maxs himself said many educated people do not join PDOIS and I will include himself among that lot. What we need to understand is that politics is not a career or should not be a career, it is a service and unless you have young educated, committed and enlightened Gambians willing to sacrifice, the old leadership will not easily change. But this is not akin to only PDOIS, is UDP not having the same problem of replacing the old guard to the extent that they are having problem of replacing Darbo as a presidential candidate? I am sure that PDOIS will not have such a problem when all the Kamalos, Baxs and so on go back to Gambia and join the Suwaibous, Edis and engage in party work. However, at this CRUCIAL MOMENT, the Congress still deems it fit to maintain the old guard through the struggle. How long did it took Mandela and others before the passed the baton? They passed the baton only after the country changed because the credibility, character, influence, knowledge, charisma and so on was crucially needed during the transformative period. Politics of Struggle to change a system is different from politics in governance. We should put pressure on Yahya Jammeh to step down after 21 YEARS in power but we still need the Darbos and Jattas to move the struggle to higher heights since they do not receive anything from the tax payers money.

  26. Kamalo” before the emergence of Pdois not too many people know of The Gambia constitution, let alone to be versed in what it entail. Pdois is the first political party that created awareness about The Gambian constitution and its provisions “.

    “Again mr Kamalo , if your assertion is true why is it that Pdois is not making a significant progress in terms of total number of votes they got in past elections compare to UDP or NRP? This is a valid and important question that leadership should ask itself since they are functioning well before UDP or nrp . Don’t you think their messaging or political ideological sophistication is part of the problem ?”

    Max, let us start from the beginning. When PDOIS first entered the Gambian political scene, one of the first things it wanted to do was to change the nature of electioneering in the country and get the people to own the process rather than merely following what the politicians wanted.

    What the politicians wanted from the people was their vote and they would go to any lengths to get it. They would bribed the people; they would patronized them; they would induced them; they would flatter and cajole them; they would do all tricks under the book just to win their votes. They would bring out the drums. They would organized the Yai Compins and the Asobis. They would bring out the people in large numbers to their rallies and the drums would drummed out whatever little message was in the offing. It was all about personalities. There was no seriousness to this political banter. This was how elections were conducted in the Gambia. Pdois wanted to change all these by taking an entirely different approach.

    This is when the politics of issues started. PDOIS will announced their political rallies. They will meet at the designated meeting place and set up their voice amplifying systems. When they started to address the issues people will begin to converge from their homes; those passing by will stop to listen and you have others who came purposely to attend the meetings. Within hours the crowds would swell and people would hear what they have never heard before in any political meetings in the Gambia. And this is a fact that cannot be disputed.

    PDOIS became a threat to the status quo and they have to apply the breaks. They started the campaign to discredit the party. The PPP even went to the extreme to label PDOIS as a socialist party that is bent on making the people share their wives and their properties with others if they should come to power. Even the head of state did not spare PDOIS in the disparaging. And I could remember a time when Halifa was riding in the back of a pick-up truck with a bull horn trying to dispel some of these negative stereotyping of the party. These were the odds that PDOIS had to fight to gain any traction in election votes in the country.

    Secondly, PDOIS was facing a political opponent who had been entrenched and consolidated in power. And all other opposition political parties have been weakened to the point that the country was virtually a one party state. The PPP party reigned supreme. This trend continued until the PPP government was overthrown in 1994.

    When the UDP was formed it enjoyed the support and loyalty of those who used to align with the PPP. And also the NCP. This helped to expand the support base of the UDP and make it what it is today.

    PDOIS never enjoyed such support and loyalty that was inherited by the UDP and had to earn their support base as is evident in Wuli. The party, however, is working very hard to change this. Hopefully the hard work will be rewarded in the 2016 elections.

    “If people are truly aware of Gambian constitution and provisions as you claimed , I think they would have considered Pdois in large numbers by voting for them in parliament or presidential elections. If they failed to consider Pdois, I think that claim is not factual correct because there is no indication to prove that .”

    But there is no correlation between understanding the constitution and voting for PDOIS. The most significant aspect of bringing the constitution to the people is to make them aware of the powers that are at their disposal. That ultimate power resides with them. How they choose to vote is entirely left to them. Pdois can only bring their agenda and their programs to the people and convinced them that they are a better alternative to what obtains.

    ” Still vast majority of people in serekunda when Halifa came from are not aware of the constitution and its provisions if I can used that constituency as an example.”

    Well, those who can read have read many instances of reference to the constitution in PDOIS’S publications and other political literature. Those who could not read have heard references of the constitution in the speeches PDOIS makes in all the local languages. At least there can be a reasonable assumption that most people understand the constitution either by reading PDOIS’s publications or listening to PDOIS’s speeches.

    ” Of course, Pdois is playing a significant role to achieve that awareness but it has not been achieved yet. I think other political parties are playing their part too. I think lack of achievement of awareness can be attributed to so many factors which might not necessary be the fault of Pdois in its messaging or ideological sophistication but the politics of regime in power.”

    I have no problem with your opinion above except the ideological sophistication attributed to PDOIS. There is no such thing as far as PDOIS is concerned.

    ” Pdois needs to evaluate itself and diagnose their failure to enable Gambians to come to their party in large number ?”

    This is a systemic problem and has little to do with PDOIS. Those opposition parties that have the large numbers could not win against the political incumbency and entrenched status quo in the country. What difference does it make if PDOIS does not have the large numbers and other opposition parties do? Absolutely none. This is the argument that we always make and it passes the test of time.

    ” Any political strategist will tell you , there is something fundamentally wrong why majority educated Gambians are not supporting Pdois if your Claim is rght.”

    I don’t think the above statement is true. I think the majority of educated Gambian do support PDOIS but do not vote. I also believe their values are more aligned to what PDOIS propagates unless they see politics for a completely different reason.

  27. Bax ” nevertheless , it can be pointed out without any doubt , that politics in The Gambia up to this date , is not ideology or manifestoes ( for that matter ) because a vast number of people who vote don’t even know what their parties of choice really stand for or how they wish to achieve what they promise ”
    I totally agreed with you on above statements. This is why when Kamalo stated that ” Pdois took Gambian politics from this personality cult based and make it a politics of issues and a politics about people ” , I indicated that personality based cult poltics is always part of Pdois or any party in The Gambia since the leadership of parties never change. People vote not based on ideas or manifestoes but personality, royalty, enticement, and other things .
    Personality based politics is integral part of Gambian political parties including Pdois .

    There is correlation between awarenessness of the constitution and voting . When citizens are aware they will be able to make right choices based on information they are given .This is why civic education help citizens to learn about their political rights , citizens rights and responsibilities as well as governance. Lack of awareness or constitution enables Politicians to buy votes because majority citizens do not know the power of their votes . If Pdois is able to lead other parties in that awareness campaign then they would have been most formidable and leading party today . But they have failed to achieve that . They have significant influence in wuli , the home district of Seedia Jatta where they mostly win since their founding .
    Constitutional awareness is critical to democracy and rule of law . Common sense teaches us that when people are educated about their rights , they tend to do the right thing. This is why when you claimed that Pdois is the first party that bring awareness and constitution , I think they should get more votes or support from the people during elections.

    Kamalo , ” the idea that majority of educated Gambians do support Pdois but do not vote ”
    From above statement , it simply means they do not align with the values of the party and that is why they didn’t vote for Pdois . It is the goal of Pdois to have large support base and to Win elections , otherwise it should be a civic society organization which aim to teach constitution and political awareness without contesting elections .
    Since the founding of the party , what other constituency apart from serekunda and wuli , did Pdois won elections consistently ?
    Today all political parties are operating under most difficult circumstances than during first regime . This is a fact . Pdois inability to get broader support base cannot be blame on the condition of first regime.

    • “I indicated that personality based cult politics is always part of PDOIS or any party in the Gambia since the leadership of parties never change. People vote not based on ideas or manifestoes but personality, royalty, enticement and other things. Personality based politics is integral part of Gambian political parties including PDOIS”, Max.

      Max, your observation is well noted. However, when I make the assertion that PDOIS take Gambian politics from this personality cult based and make it a politics of issues and a politics about the people two things become evident.

      One, that Gambian politics is personality cult based and second, that PDOIS makes it politics about the politics of issues and a politics about the people. In essence what this infers is that PDOIS distances itself from this brand of politics and introduces a new brand of politics. The politics of issues and a politics about the people.

      Therefore a personality based politics is not an integral part of PDOIS as a political party. PDOIS ‘s brand of politics is the politics of issues and a politics about the people.

      “This is why when you claimed that Pdois is the first party that brings awareness and constiution, I think they should get more votes or support from the people during elections,” Max.

      Not necessarily, Max. We have already establish that people tend to vote on the basis of inducement, enticement and other factors other than the fact that PDOIS brings awareness of the constiution to them. That is why I stated that there is no correlation between the two.

      Lastly, educated people do align themselves with the values of PDOIS and they do not vote for them. Not for the reasons that you stated, that they do not align with the values o the party, but for the fact that most live in the diaspora and do not vote.

  28. Kamalo” I know Pdois can resolve this ( replacement of old guards) , because after the untimely death of Dr Touray in the U.S. , we learnt that he was the chosen heir to take over the leadership of Pdois , and if not for his untimely death , he would have been the party’s presidential candidate for 2016. So as far as Pdois is concerned be rest assured that there is another Dr Touray somewhere “.

    Again Kamalo , it seem to me from the above statement , Pdois operate like monarchy because they have already put in placed successor in case of the demise or retirement of the leadership . Quite interesting . Was the selection of Dr touray in line with Pdois constitution , so that he would have been entitled legal right to inherit the leadership of the party . ?
    I think the idea of successor or heir is typically done in monarchical system where you have anointed individual taking leadership responsibilities in a form of inheritance . Is this idea of Pdois presumptive heir not in contradiction of Gambian constitution where there is nothing like heir in line waiting to replace leadership or president . There are constitution provisions which deals with untimely death or incapacitation of president but those provisions do not call the temporary leader a ” heir”. If there is such situation , Gambian people will finally decide through election who is going to be next president .
    How can Dr touray who has not been known to Gambians be considered such a leadership position when he has not live in The Gambia ? Is it not the same Pdois who always emphasize the Gambian based local leadership significant in the affairs of any geniune coalition ?
    I think replacement of leadership should be done by party members and its supporters . This should be open to all qualify individual members of the party. But it remain to be seen how does Pdois arrived at presumptive hire of Dr Touray .

  29. Editors….I.have saved an edited version of my last posting on your page where the edit/delete option is provided..The one you published is incomplete and was posted by mistake..Could you please publish the edited version..?

    Thank you

  30. @Maxs….”Constitutional awareness is critical to democracy and rule of law…..”

    Comment….Absolutely Maxs..And that is why PDOIS should be commended for introducing awareness into Gambian politics….A clear testimony that they want to depart from the politics of old…

    “Common sense teaches us that when people are educated about their rights , they tend to do the right thing…”

    Comment….That is true Maxs, but the “right thing” for those people, in this instance, may not be the same as you perceive…You may think that the “right thing” would be to vote for PDOIS, but they may think otherwise..

    “This is why when you claimed that Pdois is the first party that bring awareness and constitution , I think they should get more votes or support from the people during elections…”

    Comment….Again Maxs,I.agree with what you think: that PDOIS should get more votes, but unfortunately that is not the case..

    However, PDOIS has always maintained that the people should be FREE to make their choices…Their role was to equip them with the requisite knowledge and information to make informed choices…And I think you will agree that they have done that to the best of their ability…Of course there is always room to do more…

    But if political choices are made on the basis of what’s on offer from political parties, I think PDOIS has definitely done enough to be.polling more votes than any other party in opposition….

    Regarding “personality cult”, I just want to reiterate what kamalo has stated about the same political leadership…

    I have stated in.an earlier posting,which was an.edited version of the incomplete one published above, that we can criticise our current opposition leaders for being “undemocratic” because they have been leaders for so long but the question that begs asking is this :

    How many suitably qualified Gambians out there, are willing to forgo the comforts and certainties of their lives, for the discomforts and uncertainties of opposition leadership in The Gambia.. .?

    And for a party like PDOIS, the answer becomes even.harder to find, given the nature of the party and the type of leadership it envisages…

    It is important that we take that into consideration but the criticism against unchanging leadership is genuine and I think the parties are taking notice…

  31. Maxs…

    It is interesting how quickly you have picked on the issue of late Dr Touray to question PDOIS’ credentials…

    As someone who has followed PDOIS for a long, long time (but not a party member) I have a different understanding on the position of late Dr Touray to that of kamalo, who is incidentally also a follower and not a member….

    It is my understanding that when the AFPRC military government took actions, through anti politics decrees (especially infamous Decree No.4) to ban political and politically related actions, the PDOIS leadership made a risk assessment of the situation and concluded that it was better that one of the founding members leaves the country because they were not going to lie down and let someone trample on their rights..

    They were ready to challenge the military dictatorship and had to prepare for all eventualities, including long term imprisonment or even death…So it was important that one of them leaves the country to continue guiding the party and late Dr Touray was chosen…

    Was he the chosen heir who would have contested as presidential candidate..? I don’t know but he would certainly have had to be elected at a PDOIS congress rather than the “heir apparent” picture you (Maxs) is trying to paint here…

    I hope someone from PDOIS is following these exchanges and can shed light on this issue….

  32. Maxs, If you read the PDOIS Constitution and method of selecting a candidate, you would come to appreciate that PDOIS is the most democratic party in the Gambia. The word heir is alien to Pdois. My observation is that you are just arguing with issues in his head and not anything remotely connected to Pdois in reality. If PDOIS finds politics being operated in the country in a certain way for decades and had a mission and vision to change it, does it mean that system will change immediately after a few years? It will not change immediately because Pdois is not the only party speaking or engaging the people. All those parties that have no intention to change the system would be operating in the old way and discouraging them from grasping the new message and therefore making it all the more difficult for the people not only to listen and hear but also not to digest and recognize that message that is supposed to liberate them. So PDOIS knows from the beginning that it would be a protracted struggle to convince the people to leave their old ways and adapt to the new way knowing fully well that the new way is liberating but also accepting that it goes with taking responsibility for their lives as independent persons. The question is, how long will it take the vast majority to do away with inducement, intimidation, fanfare, handouts, and politics of mediocrity and embrace clarity, independent mind and action, honesty, steadfastness and resoluteness and determination to live the new way and spurn the old way. I want Maxs to look at all the countries that went through a democratic revolution and find out how long it took them to achieve it. Only then will he appreciate the strategy and tactics of PDOIS in the process of attaining genuine democracy in our homeland.

  33. Bax, as a supporter of PDOIS, I know that Halifa Sallah mentioned in his speech during the burial ceremony of Dr Touray that he Touray could have been a presidential candidate of PDOIS and has all the capacities and hallmarks to become a president of the country. As i said Maxs is looking at every English word to support an argument in his head. A s far as I know PDOIS is the only Gambian party insisting on selecting candidates through primaries. If it is having any semblance of monarchy, would it insist on anything close to that. You should question parties and leaders that are insisting on being selected to lead coalition not based on a primary but on past election results as if the peoples’ decisions are always entirely the same.

  34. Kamalo” I know Pdois can resolve this ( replacement of old guards) , because after the untimely death of Dr Touray in the U.S. , we learnt that he was the chosen heir to take over the leadership of Pdois , and if not for his untimely death , he would have been the party’s presidential candidate for 2016. So as far as Pdois is concerned be rest assured that there is another Dr Touray somewhere “.

    ‘”Again Kamalo , it seem to me from the above statement , Pdois operate like monarchy because they have already put in placed successor in case of the demise or retirement of the leadership . Quite interesting . Was the selection of Dr touray in line with Pdois constitution , so that he would have been entitled legal right to inherit the leadership of the party . ?”

    Max, I have to admit wrongly using the phrase “chosen heir”. I may have misconstrued a public statement that PDOIS made about Dr. Touray after his death was announced. The fact that Dr Touray was a potential leader for PDOIS and also a potential presidential candidate became public knowledge after his death. Anything beyond what was in the public domain was merely speculative on my side.

    I want to make this disclaimer because I am not speaking on behalf of PDOIS. I am not privy to PDOIS”s selection or election processes beyond what is in the public domain. So my personal opinions cannot constitute an indictment against PDOIS. i write about matters concerning PDOIS as a supporter and not as a member of PDOIS. So I am solely responsible for what I write

    Yes, you can make insinuations about what I write. But are the insinuations truthful? Does it represents the facts? Does PDOIS operate like a monarchy?

    All indications point to the fact that this is not the case. PDOIS operates like any other democratic institution that abides by its principles and processes. It has a constitution. It has its code of conduct. It has a process of determining the selection or election of its leadership. We know all these things not because we are privy to what goes within the party but because these are information in the public domain.

    And if we go by what is factual and what has been representative of what PDOIS does and practices, it contradicts all of the insinuations you have derived from my statement above.

    We know for a fact that PDOIS holds a party convention which is a democratic instrument.

    We know for a fact that PDOIS uses the principle of unanimity in its decision making processes which also is another democratic dispensation.

    We know for a fact that PDOIS believes in a primary process to select or choose its candidates for elective positions which is a democratic process.

    How then can such a party have monarchical inclinations?

    Because Kamalo wrote that Dr Touray was “the chosen heir” to take over the leadership of PDOIS which has a monarchical intonation. I do not blame you however for making that insinuation. That whole statement was poorly constructed. It could have been portrayed in a less controversial way. My apologies.

    “I think the idea of successor or heir is typically done in monarchical system where you have anointed individual taking leadership responsibilities in a form of inheritance . Is this idea of Pdois presumptive heir not in contradiction of Gambian constitution where there is nothing like heir in line waiting to replace leadership or president . There are constitution provisions which deals with untimely death or incapacitation of president but those provisions do not call the temporary leader a ” heir”. If there is such situation , Gambian people will finally decide through election who is going to be next president .
    How can Dr touray who has not been known to Gambians be considered such a leadership position when he has not live in The Gambia ? Is it not the same Pdois who always emphasize the Gambian based local leadership significant in the affairs of any geniune coalition ?
    I think replacement of leadership should be done by party members and its supporters . This should be open to all qualify individual members of the party. But it remain to be seen how does Pdois arrived at presumptive hire of Dr Touray”

    Max, I opened up myself to all the diatribe you are arguing above by choosing the wrong word or phrase in a poorly constructed statement. I hope my response above alleviates all your fears. I should be careful next time because you seem to be prying every word that I wrote. Nice job though for holding me up to the fire. Lest continue to make the discussion civil. .
    Reply

  35. Yerro Ba , words matters in communication process and we should always try to be precise and choose the right words in our description .
    Don’t you think three decades is long time for Pdois to make significant impact in gambia political process ? I think it is long time. I also think that mentoring and internship of young people under Pdois should go a long way to help find successors or replacement of these leaders .This is what you will find in democratic countries . Example , president Obama was encouraged , guided and mentored by senator Dick Durbum and others before his presidential race . This is lacking in our political process .
    Kamalo , I understand your poor choice of words and appreciate your personal responsibility in admitting your mistake . I would not consider my questions or statements as diatribe but they are meant to seek clarification and to make my pionts .
    The issue of primary , Is Pdois going to put up candidates in all the constituencies in the country and the finally winner in that race will be the party flag bearer or presidential candidate ?

  36. Thumps up, kamalo…You have made yourself very clear indeed…And I hope Maxs understands that we DO NOT speak for PDOIS…

  37. Who knows, PDOIS’s political ideology columns in the FOROYAA papers didn’t interprete well to the understanding of members of our badly iniciated and poorly trained army and this could be one of the reasons that perhaps inspired them to topple the PPP government. I recalled the usual habit of police and soldiers going home with a roll of the paper, with its large red front page caption; FOROYAA.
    My understanding of some of the comments above is that; the PDOIS’s political standing is, the Gambia’s political resolve is of no prior concern now than before, during the PPP regime and therefore that way,could take perhaps a century in ending the toiling relay of political mishappening.

  38. Ggapm, well you have put in a very interesting and provocative theory that Pdois may inspire our poorly trained soldiers to topple democratically elected government which is debatable . If this is court case , then the judge may find them personally responsible for our current predicament after the evident I indicate below , hahaha., ( Bax will responding soon lol) . A very smart and brilliant thinking . Though I don’t think Pdois members and supporters would agree with your theory . I think there is some element of truth in that theory because during the early days of military dictatorship , jammeh constantly made referenced to the teachings of Pdois . It may also be the same reasons that he offered cabinet appointments to Halifa but according to the report , these offers were declined . In order to justify his coup , Jammeh used talking points of Pdois as his reasons why the coup was necessary. This includes rampant corruption , lack of freedom of speech and lack of presidential term limits, and other slogans . So I think I’ll-trained soldiers might misinterpret the columns of foroyaa at the time as you stated . It is the same reason that people are still suspicious of Pdois in their dealings with the regime , political activism and association with other parties but this may not be true . I think It is also the same suspicion that people question their readiness to Join coalition or alliance . To be fair to Pdois , they have been fighting dictatorship since day one in their own ways .
    I think you are also right that from our discussion , it seem to me that Pdois supporters especially Yerro Ba indicated that it will take generations or century to achieve democracy that Pdois envision . This was why I indicated that Pdois has failed in its awareness campaign for three decades due to their poor performance and longitivety of the same players .

  39. Gpagm Apagm….

    You can only be inspired by something you understand…

    It doesn’t make.sense to.say that the poorly trained army don”t understand the ideology carried in Foroyaa, and yet they were inspired by it to overthrow the government.. That is contradictory…

    Either they understood it and were inspired by it or they didn’t understand it and could not have been inspired by it…

    • Bax, did any psycological experiment or theory proven this to you??,…………That people can only be considered inspired because they fully understand in nature, with what they are inspired by being ideologies or philosophies??
      In other words then, I’ll still call it a ‘misguided inspiration’, if you’ll like that phrase.
      Homie, you know must of my doubts expressed are solution finding expressions and are based on real life ongoings.

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